“Not all those who wander are lost” – “All that is gold does not glitter” the right way


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  • TroelsForchhammer

    I am not really confident of my ability to assign classic feet, so I normally just work with stressed syllables :-) Still, I agree that the seven-syllable version throws the meter off for the poem.

    In the line we are dealing with, I stress it like this:
    “Not ALL those who WANder are LOST”
    — is this also what you have in mind?

    • http://www.thetolkienist.com/ Marcel Aubron-Bülles

      Well, poetry has never been my strong suit (although I appreciate quite a bit of it.) And poetry is particularly difficult for any non-native speaker. I would pronounce it:

      “Not all THOSE who WANder are LOST”

      rendering the line without “THOSE” even more pointless. However, that is something only proper scansion can remedy – and that is an art form in itself, open to interpretation :)

      • Ian Collier

        I’m with Marcel on poetry and how I read the line you two note.

        • http://www.thetolkienist.com/ Marcel Aubron-Bülles

          Thanks, Ian. This very intricate and well-structured poem disguises as a simple one but when you actually read it out loud you appreciate its easily flowing rhythm – which should be proof enough that leaving out ‘those’ would be strongly against the rhythmic pattern set by Tolkien.

          Honestly. Everybody is prone to errors but if you know a little bit about him (and his retelling of stories in thousands of lines in alliterative verse!) – would you expect him to be ‘wrong’ in scansion on this poem in ‘The Lord of the Rings’? :) – by leaving out ‘those’?

    • http://www.facebook.com/renee.vink.5 Renee Vink

      I’m with you here, Troels. The stress on “those” does not make as much sense to me as the stress on “all”. With the latter, the meaning becomes: though some who wander are lost, this does not apply to *all* who wander. Aragorn may seem a vagrant nobody, traipsing around aimlessly, as vagrants are wont to do (the assessment of people like Barliman Butterbur), but this appearance deceives, says the rest of the poem: he’s different.
      Plus, you wouldn’t read line one as “All THAT is gold does not glitter”, would you?

      That doesn’t make “those” superfluous, though, as many who quote the line seem to think. Rhytmically, it’s better when it’s there. Also the parallel of all that and all those is intentional, I’d say – the one between gold and Aragorn.

      BTW, why do you read “reached” as two syllables?

      • http://www.thetolkienist.com/ Marcel Aubron-Bülles

        Hi Renee, I did a quick check with a syllable counting website (me not being a native speaker and syllables being a very strange concept to English) and obviously went for the wrong one – other services give one, indeed. This would make the nice 8/8/9/9 pattern for the first stanza obsolete but would open up for a 8/all with one superflous syllable in line 3 – and an additional syllable, particularly an unstressed one as in WITHer, is quite okay for any poet :) I then cross-checked all words and found that renewed only has two syllables.

        However, the longer I come to think of it, the less convinced I am on the stress being on ALL in line 2. The teacher I had on poetry once told me the only way to find out how any line should be pronounced (particularly if you a) are not really into poetry or b) not a native speaker which is the case for me) is overboard SCANSION, that is reading out the poem really loudly.

        And with ALL starting off the poem with line 1 it does not make poetic sense to have ALL in line 2 to be the stress-bearing syllable; not all OF THEM who wander are lost, stressing the fact that the Dúnedain will find their way in the wilderness anytime. And I would rather see a particular connection between lines 1 and 3 with the repetition of “that is”, not between 1 and 2 on this point. Having THOSE being the stressed syllable sort of moves the emphasis from the beginning of the line to the end of line; with ALL in line 2 this wouldn’t work as well.

        Writing the poem out in a different way does sometime help but is not necessarily conclusive (Note: if the rhythm is too regular in all lines the poem usually won’t work; you can see the second couplet of each stanza is identical but the first couplet alternates.)



        Damn, I hate metre analysis. ;) Particularly as I am in no position to judge whether this particular poem has been modelled on a classical Greek or Anglo-Saxon poem style (which could be the case with JRRT.)

        The 10/8/9/8 is not too problematic; it makes the poem more dramatic, as the lines gets shorter in a ‘leaping’ way, increasing the tension by returning from longer lines to the short line of the opening (that’s probably thinking as a poet.:)

        • http://www.facebook.com/renee.vink.5 Renee Vink

          Marcel, if you include the Dunedain as a group, your reading makes sense, too, but I’m inclined not to do so. It may be a matter of interpretation; an inquiry among native speakers of English might shed light on the scansion pattern. The fact that “those” is left out so often in quotes suggests that many people do not put stress on it. And if you read the poem my way, you get 2 stanza’s with each three identical lines, each preceded by a different first line.

          The fact that I’m not a native speaker weakens my position, of course, but I consider the poem a kind of pseudo-doggerel, the way Aragorn himself is a pseudo vagrant. It takes a closer look to see that both are more “valuable” than they appear to be at first. To me this suggests that too much analysis of the metre is unnecessary. The verse may look somewhat irregular, but if you read it aloud, it scans well enough, especially after the first line. Aragorn does not look a regular guy at first, but… you get my meaning.

          • http://www.thetolkienist.com/ Marcel Aubron-Bülles

            You are making a very good argument there, Renee, I agree, but I think that with someone like Tolkien any “dropped” word would have a function, even if it were only in a pseudo-doggerel. He would have realised dropping THOSE would just as well work when reading out the poem – but he chose to leave it in. I would rather argue this from his point of view, not from the point of view of the general populace without the education he had. Or possibly I am just putting him on a pedestal when he, in fact, just scrambled down a few notes to make fun of high and mighty Aragorn via Bilbo (i.e. himself ;) – let’s talk about going off on a tangent!)

            Getting down to the nitty gritty could even mean talking about repetitive patterns of consonants/vowels (which would make the a/o-sequence in line two particularly interesting/ evocative) but this is way beyond my means. I would have to dig in again into a topic which is highly interpretative, both in form and meaning, let alone the wider sense of putting this one piece into the context of “The Lord of the Rings”, Tolkien’s writings at this particular place in time etc. :) And as I mentioned before – I appreciate poetry, I love its presentation but working with it? *grawrrg*

            But thank you very much for this – maybe someone more apt to discuss this than me might take note for a future publication. Renee? :)

          • http://www.facebook.com/renee.vink.5 Renee Vink

            Thank you, too! I doubt I’m the someone more apt, but who knows…

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  • Taz

    I (and for what it’s worth, my brother with an MA in English Literature too) stress it
    ALL that is GOLD does not GLITter,Not ALL those who WANder are LOST;The OLD that is STRONG does not WITHer,Deep ROOTS are not REACHED by the FROST.From the ASHes a FIRE shall be WOken,
    A LIGHT from the SHAdows shall SPRING;
    ReNEWED shall be BLADE that was BROken,
    The CROWNless aGAIN shall be KING.

    Dactyl dactyl trochee
    Amphibrach amphibrach iamb
    Amphibrach amphibrach amphibrach
    Amphibrach amphibrach iamb
    Amphibrach* amphibrach amphibrach
    Amphibrach amphibrach iamb
    Amphibrach* amphibrach amphibrach
    Amphibrach amphibrach iamb

    Pretty basic.

    * pronouncing “from the” as a half-foot each, metrically

    • http://www.thetolkienist.com/ Marcel Aubron-Bülles

      Thanks for the answer, Taz, appreciated! And I have to say, it does look interesting, if not convincing!

      I have a magister artium in English literature, too, so I am not quite fully convinced yet, though ;)

      Tolkien being Tolkien, using such a simple rhyme scheme (which you can often find with limericks – thanks, 3*amphibrach ;)) would seem … I don’t know… inappropriate?

      Or knowing Tolkien such a simple rhyme scheme might simply be the remnant of a literary age where such rhyme schemes weren’t reduced to one particular function only and he would try to reconstruct it. Damn you, Tolkien.

      P.S.: My point being that nother is ever “basic” with Tolkien – he was an artist when it comes to using any metre in the English language. If he chose such a “simple” rhyme scheme he would have had reasons for it … hmm …

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